The last 6 years have truly been for me somewhat eye opening along with being challenging.
Being out of full time ministry and leading a church was not my plan, but it presented maybe a God ordained window to experience and to learn more widely?
One greater than I could have ever planned.
And to be honest one I wouldn't have planned for myself...
Ever since I began to follow Jesus in 1991 I have been fully engaged of what many would consider a pentecostal or charismatic form of faith expression.
Before that I was actually brought up in a very conservative farming community Presbyterian church.
Before that I was actually brought up in a very conservative farming community Presbyterian church.
And for the past six years I have been involved in ministry outside the church, attended a large variety of styles and theological bents and been again involved more recently in a Church under a more conservative stream.
Something I have seen if I can generalise a little for moment, is that people seem to many times love to find a position on stylised faith, theological position, self considered “this is the best model” mindset and camp there.
Not satisfied with that, many then try and go to the perceived extreme of that position and belief structure.
This extreme pendulum swing creates I believe a dynamic that doesn't help the Church in general, where we then promote our position as best or preferable. We can become potentially blind to other options and even blind to what God might be wanting to do with others, and maybe even us.
Here are some recent examples I have seen:
(Note - not everyone I have seen for the sake of this blog size)
Holy Spirit was Then vs Holy Spirit is for Now
There have become ever more pendulum extremes of belief on the Holy Spirt.
Some believe the Holy Spirit is active now in our time and something we should embrace to truly be the Church, to truly understand what it is like to follow Christ. That without this key attribute of faith you will lack power, special gifting and even the ability to continue in faith.
Another group states clearly that the Holy Spirit has been part of the historical narrative and isn't important for today. That the Holy Spirit helped establish the Church and helped us get the Bible. That anyone seeking to explore this aspect of faith is a 'weirdo' and probably just looking for an emotional experience - one the other end of the pendulum considers fake or even demonic.
Apostles are Historic vs Apostles operate Today
I have some sympathy for the debate and confusion around the concept of Apostles.
I have to admit that I have been bemused and disturbed by the seemingly liberal use of the term. Where all around the world people are declaring themselves to be an Apostle.
Here are the two extremes of the pendulum:
Apostles only existed nearly 2000 years ago to establish the Church and that the role of Apostle ended with the book of Acts and the writings of the New Testament in general.
The other extreme is that Apostles could and should exist today and anyone can be an Apostle.
My personal opinion is that both extremes are problematic and purposefully ignore what the Apostles even taught about being Apostles. #ironic.
And I add to my thinking that my reading of the early Apostles is that it was not something to attain for but was a recognition of an office.
Bible Stories are Historic and Allegoric in Nature vs Bible Stories being Examples for Now and even Life Giving
One camp loves the extreme of reflecting on the stories and the accounts in scripture and then creating narratives based on what they personally would like them to mean. Sometimes going to great lengths to try and prove they are wrong, that God's character and motivation is evil and they have discovered some hidden truth.
The other camp firmly believes in the Bible so much that everything including what to eat, what to wear, who to talk to, where to live is intrinsically linked to scripture and must not be questioned or deviated from.
Declarations of Faith are Wrong vs Declarations of Faith are Best Practice
Here we have the idea of making passionate verbal statements either in private to God or in a larger group setting related to something of faith. Hence why they are called declarations.
One group thinks this is potentially demonic and to be avoided as abhorrent behaviour.
Another group thinks that they have the potential to change everything we don't like, and without using them we won't see God do something.
For me the extremes are both problematic.
One ignores the many times Scripture records people of faith making declarations.
The other thinks they can get God to do anything they want, like they are in charge of the Kingdom.
I could go on and on with examples...
I am also disturbed by the extremes of the 'name it and claim it' hyper faith movement as much as the claims that the Holy Spirit, the gifts and everything related to them, finished thousands of years ago.
I am disturbed by endless arguments over who is right and who has the best model of Church.
I am disturbed that many ministries are based on critique and not on Christian discipleship.
I am disturbed that the Pharisee mentality has never really left Church history.
I am disturbed that many ministries are based on critique and not on Christian discipleship.
I am disturbed that the Pharisee mentality has never really left Church history.
I am disturbed by passion at which others look to destroy brother and sisters of faith.
For me, I am determined today not to tell you who is right, or even what to think.
What I am determined to do I believe is to encourage you to look at faith and its practice in your life more deeply.
What I am determined to do I believe is to encourage you to look at faith and its practice in your life more deeply.
To avoid taking and holding an extreme position as you continue to work our you salvation with fear and trembling - wrestling with God and what it means for you to follow Him right now with all your heart mind and soul.
Something to think about...


